"I would always optimise for readability by humans. Making all your scenarios 'consistent' with each other is a reasonable, but secondary goal.
So unless the audience of your test scenarios (and that ought to be an audience wider than just…"
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To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
Started this discussion. Last reply by David Evans Jun 23, 2012. 9 Replies 0 Likes
Given I work in an Agile/BDD environmentWhen I write a test scenario that I won't be wanting to automateThen I'll write it in Gherkin anywayGreen or red?Continue
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Anna Baik replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"A couple of people have mentioned consistency. I'm yet to be convinced that consistency in itself actually results in better testing.
I can see that striving for consistency in documentation can result in worse testing, if it biases our…"
Rich G replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"There are BDD vs TDD arguments going on across the community. It is generally stated that BDD is for business users to understand the level of testing going on. In my opinion, BDD is used when stakeholders have little trust. (rant over!) This is not…"
Dmytro Zharii replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"Yes, this is a wise decision.
Yes, GivenWhenThen can bring the understanding how the System behaves, but for some cases Gherkin is not flexible.
For example, I’ve worked with system that was used for reporting on the business domain that I…"
Chetan Velhal replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"Hi Si Garnett,
Actually i faced same situation which i am facing now , In Project we did both testing automation and manual where i used Selenium automation with gherkin scenarios, and for manual test writing i choose Simple test case…"
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Si Garnett replied to Laurent MASSER's discussion Opensource testing tool quality ?
"That's a much better question :-)
It's also a huge question.
Top of my list would be a tool that the whole dev/product team can buy into. Much more rewarding using a tool that everyone cares about rather than just the testers.…"
Si Garnett replied to The Hooded Claw's discussion Selenium Courses - worthwhile
"This will speed up your test runs; but any issues found may have root cause that will be be a pain to pinpoint. By all mean combine tests - but keep in mind post run analysis when designing test output (logging etc)."
Si Garnett replied to The Hooded Claw's discussion Selenium Courses - worthwhile
"I concur with Jeff here regarding under the hood testing. It really is where automation pays back. If you need further info then a good start would be to Google "test automation pyramid". "
Si Garnett replied to The Hooded Claw's discussion Selenium Courses - worthwhile
"I'd recommend a copy of Alan Richardson's ebook 'Selenium Simplified'. It will show you everything you'll get from a course (and more), it's written assuming no knowledge of development and it costs next to nothing. If…"
Si Garnett replied to Laurent MASSER's discussion Opensource testing tool quality ?
"Not sure where I read it, but someone recently said:
"There is good and bad software and there is open source and proprietary software. There is no correlation between the two comparisons."
(-that was the gist of it anyway-)
Seemed…"
Si Garnett replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"Thanks for the link Chetan. Unfortunately I'm still stuck with the original question though...
Can I pose it another way:
If I have a test pack that contains some automated gherkin scenarios and some manual tests, do I still write…"
Chetan Velhal replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"Here is good article for Gherkin
https://github.com/techtalk/SpecFlow/wiki/Using-Gherkin-Language-in-SpecFlow"
Si Garnett replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"I'm guessing red.
I probably wouldn't describe a test scenario with Gherkin unless that scenario was going to be run by a tool.
This is particularly true where the scenario is also going to also serve as the documentation for the…"
Dmytro Zharii replied to Si Garnett's discussion To Gherkin or not to Gherkin
"Given Hi Si
When other people understand what are you doing
Then it can be a good idea "
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